What is Brit-Pop?

[rocketman70]

Originally Posted by loveydovey

Remember these?

Lovey's Forgotten Britpop Faves




"Female of the Species"




So, yes . . . if you ever hear one of these gems on WOXY, chances are they were requested by ME.

One of my all time fave songs!!!

[JSpaceman]

Originally Posted by loveydovey

"In Your Car"

Yes! I loved some Kenickie! Both the tunes and Lauren Kenickie (far left.)


And Space was decent, too. The tune with Cerys Matthews is one of my favourite duets of all time, hands down. Check out "Ballad Of Tom Jones" if you haven't already.

And what about...

[Shimmercore]

Originally Posted by =Shimmercore

You guys forgot Adorable!

Originally Posted by afterdinnerman

Shoegazer.

I don't know about that. They came on the scene when shoegaze was waning and they had the swagger and cockiness of pre-Oasis and you can't tell me that "Sunshine Smile" was not a rockin' bliss of British pop, can you?

Also, you guys forgot RIDE! But they most likely will get sub-divided into shoegazer as well. Screw it. Isn't "Britpop" just as generic a term as "alternative"?

[afterdinnerman]

Originally Posted by JSpaceman

And Space was decent, too. The tune with Cerys Matthews is one of my favourite duets of all time, hands down. Check out "Ballad Of Tom Jones" if you haven't already.

My wife and I played that at our wedding RIGHT after our 'official' first dance.

Some guests were not amused.

Originally Posted by shimmercore

you can't tell me that "Sunshine Smile" was not a rockin' bliss of British pop, can you?

I can and will. The delay effects on the guitar, the wall of sound and the floaty, ethereal vocals in the chorus. It is easily their poppiest song, but poppy (heh) in the 'Going Blank' Ride manner.

[JSpaceman]

Originally Posted by afterdinnerman

My wife and I played that at our wedding RIGHT after our 'official' first dance.

Some guests were not amused.

That is truly awesome.

[Dumb Hick]

Originally Posted by rocketman70

Idiot


least 10 characters

No argument there, sir.

[MorningTheft]

Originally Posted by JSpaceman

And what about...

I definitely have Space Monkeys - Sugar Cane on my Ipod....I love that stupid song.

[Rafe]

Originally Posted by Shimmercore

Also, you guys forgot RIDE! But they most likely will get sub-divided into shoegazer as well. Screw it. Isn't "Britpop" just as generic a term as "alternative"?

Definitely shoegazer. Britpop isn't as generic a term as alternative, at least not here.

I'd say from my understanding that Britpop was a label bestowed upon the post-Madchester bands by the music press, who even more lazily lumped in other bands around at the time to give the "scene" more weight and identity. For example, Blur started out as a wannabe "Baggy" band, but were derided as they were from the gentle middle classes of Essex. After reinventing themselves through "popscene", they then tried to adopt their own, kinksian identity and were thrown into the britpop pot thanks to the associated "Lad culture" of the time, Sounds, MM and the NME.

Alternative/Indie music over here has always been tribal, scenes geographic and linked to our societies class system.

Slowdive, Chapterhouse, Swervedriver and Ride were all from the county of Berkshire, and their respective styles, at least right at the beginning of each band's life, were pretty similar. That was the start of the Reading/Oxford shoegaze scene. I may be wrong, but one of the first times i read the word "shoegazer" was in a revue written in the melody maker of one of Ride's early gigs.

Anyway, these points are moot. Britpop has been dead for a long time.

[The Ugly Thief]

To me, Brit-Pop is definitely a period term. I think of it as a wave of Brit bands which resulted from three bands : The Smiths, The Cure, and The Stone Roses.

I don't believe Brit-Pop has any kind of bonding sound whatsoever. I just believe it was a term which was slapped upon any new Brit band that was coming along in the early 90s in order to form a bonding feel as a sort of response to the American Grunge wave. I consider any band such as Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Elastica, Primal Scream, The Verve, and Suede to be part of the Brit-Pop wave. To me, there is no real connection outside of the actual label Brit-Pop. It was just a way of the media grouping together the new wave of young British bands.

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[malheureux]

Originally Posted by loveydovey

Remember these?

Lovey's Forgotten Britpop Faves



"Female of the Species"



"You're Gorgeous"


So, yes . . . if you ever hear one of these gems on WOXY, chances are they were requested by ME.

love 'em. love 'em so much!!

why didn't anyone tell me this thread was happening? jeesh.

blur - anything before 1/2 of their s/t album is britpop.
oasis - anything before the disgrace that was be here now - britpop.
stone roses - all the way, though dreamy at times, pure britpop.
chick bands - elastica, sleeper, et al - britpop.

basically, i would agree with, was it rockeman[?], who said it ended with blair and the new labour. 97 is too late, i think it has to be before 97, at the very least. there's my 2cents. do with it what you will. but i still love space. and menswear. so suk it.

[malheureux]

Originally Posted by Rafe

Anyway, these points are moot. Britpop has been dead for a long time.

aye, but it still lives on in my heart, rafe...

*wistful*

[Shimmercore]

Even Blur's "She's So High" is very shoegazey, yet still Britpop.

[JSpaceman]

Originally Posted by malheureux

why didn't anyone tell me this thread was happening? jeesh.

I was patiently waiting for you to chime in.

oasis - anything before the disgrace that was be here now - britpop.

Cue Four coming in to defend that mediocre disappointment of an album...

And I've heard plenty of raves about Babybird but never checked him out. He is/was pretty prolific, wasn't he?

[JSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Rafe

Anyway, these points are moot. Britpop has been dead for a long time.

So this is what your speaking of you killing music threads was all about, eh?

[Rafe]

Originally Posted by malheureux

aye, but it still lives on in my heart, rafe...

*wistful*

It was definitely an incredibly fun time to be around the clubs. To be honest, all the music from '89-'95 was pretty superb, although my memories are a bit fuzzy on details. I can't remember a thing about '94, it was such a fantastic vibe.

[the_birds]

I'm with Spacely again on this one, usually we don't agree so much, but Radiohead's OK Computer was a landmark CD, but more of today's bands sound like Television and The Cure than Radiohead. As time as gone by, Radiohead, like Nirvana in hindsight, aren't as important as we once thought.

I think while the Rock Archbishops were busy anointing bands like Nirvana and Radiohead and even The Pixies (to me), they did so without historical perspective. These bands and their "masterworks" become less and less relevant. And I don't care if I never hear Frank Black "not sing" another Pixies song. I know that's indie rock blasphemy, but they've been getting by on reputation for too long!

[rocketman70]

Originally Posted by the_birds

I'm with Spacely again on this one, usually we don't agree so much, but Radiohead's OK Computer was a landmark CD, but more of today's bands sound like Television and The Cure than Radiohead. As time as gone by, Radiohead, like Nirvana in hindsight, aren't as important as we once thought.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, Television and The Cure have been around for a while. Radiohead and Nirvana have only been active for about ten years. It's too early for those groups to have any influence like the two you mentioned. When the age group that came of age during the 1990s go on to form bands, you will see or rather hear the Radiohead and Nirvana influence in spades. The New New Wave scene that has been inspired by Television is (thankfully) on the wane.

[rocketman70]

Originally Posted by malheureux

basically, i would agree with, was it rockeman[?], who said it ended with blair and the new labour. 97 is too late, i think it has to be before 97, at the very least. there's my 2cents. do with it what you will. but i still love space. and menswear. so suk it.

Yeah, twas me.

Originally Posted by Rafe

Anyway, these points are moot. Britpop has been dead for a long time.

Yep!!

[the_birds]

Yea Rocketman, but all you got is speculation. That and $1.50 will buy a 40oz. at 7/11. Its not bad thinking, but its nothing right now .

Let's hope for our sakes that they sound more like Radiohead and not Nirvana. Everyone's been trying to bottle that "Angst ridden" sound for years now and failing miserably at it, but to the pleasure of all the suits at CCC.

[Jonathan]

Originally Posted by JSpaceman

Cue Four coming in to defend that mediocre disappointment of an album...

It's funny because it's true! He's at work, or else he totally would have done it by now.

I can't believe you haven't seen Live Forever, Spacey. Had I know, I would have brought my copy with me last Saturday.