WOXY Is Not Listener Supported

[Neil]

Originally Posted by ralmer_rufus

So, as long as there's no ad revenue, it's listener supported? Is XM Radio listener supported? Is Sirius Satellite Radio listener supported? They have no ads. They charge monthly fees. Just like WOXY now.

For the record, here's my definition of listener supported:
-No ads
-No fees
-Primary source of income: voluntary contributions given in appreciation

Fine...but why does listener supported have to indicate no ads? There are advertisements on PBS and NPR. When they state how they were supported by a particular company...you think that's not advertisement? If it wasn't, they wouldn't need to acknowledge it over the air.

[ralmer_rufus]

Yeah, I agree there's a fine line between those blurbs on PBS and the flood of crap on all the other stations. But there is still a line. Hey, at least they don't interupt the program for it.

[wombat18]

Originally Posted by ralmer_rufus

For the record, here's my definition of listener supported:
-No ads
-No fees
-Primary source of income: voluntary contributions given in appreciation

OK, well by that definition, Montana Public Radio isn't listener supported (we have sponsorship announcements in the middle of programs, and we get grants as a primary source of income to build new transmitter towers and microwave links, etc.)

Neither is the campus radio station listener supported. They're in the middle of their fundraiser and it looks like they might raise $6,000. Nope, that isn't even enough to keep the lights on, the heating bill paid, nor the transmitter fired up.

By your definition, are musicians listener-supported? Many of the folks that we like all have second jobs (which are probably their primary income), and the bigger names seem to be increasingly supported by sponsorships (Vans Warped Tour, for instance) and by merchandise sales.

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[akip]

yeah, this is for all practical purposes, gonna be listener-supported, at least in the short term.

the rest is just semantics.

[purple_octopus]

Originally Posted by ralmer_rufus

So, as long as there's no ad revenue, it's listener supported? Is XM Radio listener supported? Is Sirius Satellite Radio listener supported? They have no ads. They charge monthly fees. Just like WOXY now.

Yep, they're listener supported. I believe they're also investor supported. And like jvk mentioned -- a station could be both listener & advertiser supported. I hope woxy is both in the near future.

For the record, here's my definition of listener supported:
-No ads
-No fees
-Primary source of income: voluntary contributions given in appreciation

Okay, you have your definition and I have mine. Whatever.

Originally Posted by akip

yeah, this is for all practical purposes, gonna be listener-supported, at least in the short term.

the rest is just semantics.

What she said.

[something]

okay- off the subject, but wtf?
what's going on with this "i have my definition, you have yours" thing.
there's something called a dictionary.
there's also something called an encyclopedia.
if you're "definition" of a word or phrase doesn't match up with that word or phrase's actual meaning, or common use, that means you've been misusing that word (and maybe you don't know what you're talking about).
now if a word or phrase (such as listener supported) has more than one meaning and both rrufus and p.o. are right, and are just trying to establish which meaning they are using, then obviously i'm the ass here.

[akip]

c'mon you listeners out there---SUPPORT!!!

[vivalamusica]

Keep in mind that "listener supported" isn't any type of legal term - it's just a slogan. Most public, non-profit stations use it, too. KEXP prefers "listener powered." Those words don't legally mean squat. By using that phrase, woxy.com isn't claiming to be any kind of non-profit outfit. Yes, Sirius and XM are listener-supported, just like cable TV is viewer supported - they just don't use those terms.

[jccalhoun]

Whatever. Just pay so they can continue to exist!


No, I'm going to go protest them damn liberal PBS bastards for telling people they hsould fix their old house instead of buying a new one and for telling people to cook their own food instead of eating at resteraunts. Don't they know that buying creates jobs? Why do they hate America?

[something]

no, i'm not saying don't support.
hell, i've signed up and donated. i'm just saying that there should be a commonly accepted meaning for what "listener supported" means so that there's not all this "i think it means this so woxy can go to hell" and "i think it means that so you can go to hell" squabbles.
i'm saying that if i win the lottery any time soon, i will be making a sizeable contribution to woxy. but you gotta play to win, so in the meantime i'm just hassling everyone that i know to sign up.
and i like pbs! and you know, even if you renovate your house instead of buying a new one, you're still helping the economy because you have to buy tools, books, and other materials. it's not like hammers grow like dandelions.

[onetimelogin]

I have listened for the past two years to WOXY and have loved the radio station for broadcasting all these years free of charge (and very decent quality).

2 things:
1) I have tried broadcasting myself online with a program from Rogue Amoeba called Nicecast (great program, but, you'll find, you're limited to the amount of users unless you increase your bandwidth). It costs money to increase bandwidth and its understandable that WOXY has reached a ceiling the corp guys up top are willing to shell out. At this point, I have a problem with the so-called "listener support" the corp. marketing people are trying to disguise a "membership" as.

2) If WOXY were to be truly listener-supported, they would do fund drives, much like KEXP, out of Seattle, WA. They continually broadcast at higher bandwidths and provide listeners with excellent music. The only difference is once every couple of months listeners are bombarded with pledge requests for a one-week period. Fortunately people are extremely supportive and listeners get to hear higher-end broadcasts.

WOXY's program isn't like this at all. And at $9.95/month - not a year, why don't I just buy myself a subscription to XM Radio? As long as you are still offering a free stream, I'll take it - I listen to you guys at work off "little crappys" on my eMac.

Please do us all a favor, don't call yourself listener-"supported" - you're listener-"financed" at this point - don't let your marketing department drive your radio station listener base into the ground. You're hurting your overall image and quickly alienating your core audience. I would highly recommend you quickly change your money-raising format before people stop listening to your station altogether, which I have decided to do

I haven't listen to you in the past 3 weeks and, clicking on your link today, I had to come to your site AND register to make my first, last and only comment.

I'm leaving solely on the grounds of false-advertising (duping kids out of their money because they put their trust in you to deliver fresh new music).

If you fire your marketing cheif and/or change the way you do your business make sure to email your fan base. I won't be listening or checking this post ever again.

Sianara -
New York City/San Francisco

[Dugan]

Originally Posted by onetimelogin

I have listened for the past two years to WOXY and have loved the radio station for broadcasting all these years free of charge (and very decent quality).

2 things:
1) I have tried broadcasting myself online with a program from Rogue Amoeba called Nicecast (great program, but, you'll find, you're limited to the amount of users unless you increase your bandwidth). It costs money to increase bandwidth and its understandable that WOXY has reached a ceiling the corp guys up top are willing to shell out. At this point, I have a problem with the so-called "listener support" the corp. marketing people are trying to disguise a "membership" as.

2) If WOXY were to be truly listener-supported, they would do fund drives, much like KEXP, out of Seattle, WA. They continually broadcast at higher bandwidths and provide listeners with excellent music. The only difference is once every couple of months listeners are bombarded with pledge requests for a one-week period. Fortunately people are extremely supportive and listeners get to hear higher-end broadcasts.

WOXY's program isn't like this at all. And at $9.95/month - not a year, why don't I just buy myself a subscription to XM Radio? As long as you are still offering a free stream, I'll take it - I listen to you guys at work off "little crappys" on my eMac.

Please do us all a favor, don't call yourself listener-"supported" - you're listener-"financed" at this point - don't let your marketing department drive your radio station listener base into the ground. You're hurting your overall image and quickly alienating your core audience. I would highly recommend you quickly change your money-raising format before people stop listening to your station altogether, which I have decided to do

I haven't listen to you in the past 3 weeks and, clicking on your link today, I had to come to your site AND register to make my first, last and only comment.

I'm leaving solely on the grounds of false-advertising (duping kids out of their money because they put their trust in you to deliver fresh new music).

If you fire your marketing cheif and/or change the way you do your business make sure to email your fan base. I won't be listening or checking this post ever again.

Sianara -
New York City/San Francisco

Lighten up, everything isn't a conspiracy. If you think there are better options than woxy please move on, we don't need your bad karma.

Oh, and be sure to enjoy the fund drives and being a part of large corporation with millions of investors that still charge more than $9.95/month.

[jccalhoun]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

Since when does WOXY even HAVE a marketing department? If people aren't going to pay because they say listener supported rather than listener funded, then they have bigger issues. They are probably too busy going around correcting people for saying "irregardless" and "I could care less"

Call me crazy, but I'm sure that the people at WOXY are busy worrying if they are even going to have jobs in a month than they are debating if they are "listener supported" or "listener funded" or any other term one wants to use.

Sorry to be harsh, but there are a lot bigger fish to fry around here than sitting back and opining about such fine points. If more people don't pony up money by next week there might not be a WOXY to piss and moan about.

[weeone]

WOW.


I thought thecurves was the biggest jackass on the boards. I've been in the wrong thread. Check out the douchebag on that guy. Semantics disaster up in here.

[Rafe]

What a knob.

[markus]

Originally Posted by onetimelogin

<snip> corp guys <snip> corp. marketing people <snip> marketing department <snip> I'm leaving solely on the grounds of false-advertising (duping kids out of their money because they put their trust in you to deliver fresh new music). <snip> marketing cheif

Yikes! Doubtful you've been listening for "all these years"; or maybe you have been listening without hearing. To the best of my knowledge, there are four full-time employees and two very generous donors who have funded the enterprise for the last year and a half.

I'm not sure how you have the gall to cast this lean operation, drowning in royalties & bandwidth costs, as a sinister money-hungry corporation. Mind boggling.

Now it's time to hit 'Submit' and I can't believe I took the time to respond.

[akip]

i love how far people will go to rationalize their entitlement to a free ride.

[rachel-toronto]

Originally Posted by onetimelogin

Please do us all a favor, don't call yourself listener-"supported" - you're listener-"financed" at this point

the support from the listeners *is* financial, as well as intangible means.

semantics will get you nowhere, man. i'm sorry you wasted the 10mins it took to type that up for a point that wasn't made.
r.

[slopechz]

Originally Posted by rachel-toronto

the support from the listeners *is* financial, as well as intangible means.

semantics will get you nowhere, man. i'm sorry you wasted the 10mins it took to type that up for a point that wasn't made.
r.

Seriously. Why bother posting that?

[patio]

Originally Posted by ralmer_rufus

So, as long as there's no ad revenue, it's listener supported? Is XM Radio listener supported? Is Sirius Satellite Radio listener supported? They have no ads. They charge monthly fees. Just like WOXY now.

For the record, here's my definition of listener supported:
-No ads
-No fees
-Primary source of income: voluntary contributions given in appreciation

your definition is dumb, like you